Monday Morning Conversation: Why the “church” has lost its Moral Authority and evangelicalism will continue its decline

Bryan Stupar

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In reference to the broken/sinful condition of humanity:

“Inordinate guilt feelings is pathological…and no guilt feelings is even more pathological”

-Tim Keller

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Alex Joye There is no need for guilt when you create your own narrative and justify your bad actions as “protecting the MINISTRY of the Lord!”

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Bryan Stupar Alex, thats exactly Keller’s point. He went on to say that when our narrative contains no authority higher than ourselves (God, god/goddess, etc), then we write the rules, omitting the guilt rendering it superfluous.

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Bryan Stupar In other words, much of modern western culture.

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Alex Joye Unfortunately, the church writes its own rules as well…and creates a hierarchy of ‘sins’ that it makes peace with…while taboo’ing other sins. For instance, Gluttony, Pride, Lying, Divorce…not a big deal, very well tolerated…whereas Homosexuality is a major taboo.

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Lisa Silveira Good word!

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Alex Joye I can see no greater sin than Pride and creating a Cult-of-Personalities of church leaders…yet that dynamic is actually encouraged and promoted by the church…whereas other taboo sins raise the ire of those same church-goers. Very troubling.

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Alex Joye The church (evangelical) feels no guilt for the sins of making mega-rich mega-stars and building altars to its celebrity leaders and showering them with money and adoration…while largely ignoring those Jesus said we are to spend our time and attention helping (including our own families). The followers are probably more responsible than the leaders they raise up and put on the pedestals. Yet, no guilt…none at all.

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Alex Joye I doubt any will feel any guilt over this, but I personally refuse to support “ministries” that are pretty much rich/wealthy cult-of-personalities that create their own narrative and create their own morality…while doing the opposite of what I read about Jesus in the Gospels.

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Alex Joye Unfortunately, the “church” is as much responsible for the “modern western culture” as anything else…the church is a part of that culture and has helped shape that culture both by what it promotes as well as by the hypocrisy it demonstrates to those outside the church. The church can be very instructive by what it says, what it does, what it ignores, what it tolerates, what it rails against. The church lost its “moral authority” a long time ago.

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Bryan Stupar The reality is we all struggle to submit our wills to God.

We all have blind spots where we make our own rules…and when we do you can be certain that suffering isn’t to far behind.

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Alex Joye “The reality is we all struggle to submit our wills to God. ” Yes, and what is that? I don’t believe “god’s will” is based on the authority of a particular church sect and what its gurus tell you is “god’s will”…as those leaders have no moral authority as exampled by their own immorality and their own injustice.

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Alex Joye For example, the Calvary Chapel sect says it has no authority with regards to moral matters within its own Group…yet claims it has the moral authority to speak against those outside their church like the evil homosexuals etc.

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Alex Joye 1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

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Alex Joye “and when we do you can be certain that suffering isn’t to far behind.” Those who create their own narrative will simply spin this as “God promises tough times and persecution for his holy righteous followers!”

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Alex Joye And, of course, those tough times or consequences to bad actions will simply be spun as “it’s an attack from the devil! Woe is me!” Again, it’s largely a bunch of b.s. Bryan and you’ve seen it first hand in your own church sect among your leaders.

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Alex Joye A part of the church has lost its moral authority and for good reason. There are still lots of good things that churches do and some church sects have a much better record than others…but the decline in evangelicalism is largely a direct result of the church’s own doing. Sowing and Reaping principal in action.

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Alex Joye To be crystal clear, none of this is directed to you personally, Bryan. I think you are sincere and doing the best you can while being affiliated with a bad organization.

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Monday Morning Conversation: Why the “church” has lost its Moral Authority and evangelicalism will continue its decline

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